{"id":9234,"date":"2026-02-10T10:02:16","date_gmt":"2026-02-10T10:02:16","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/testingpeers.com\/?p=9234"},"modified":"2026-02-10T10:02:19","modified_gmt":"2026-02-10T10:02:19","slug":"podcast-episode-144-change-for-good","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/testingpeers.com\/?p=9234","title":{"rendered":"Podcast Episode 144 &#8211; Change for Good"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<div id=\"buzzsprout-player-18636775\"><\/div><script src=\"https:\/\/www.buzzsprout.com\/1078751\/episodes\/18636775-change-for-good.js?container_id=buzzsprout-player-18636775&#038;player=small\" type=\"text\/javascript\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script>\n\n\n\n<p>Hello and welcome to another episode of the Testing Peers podcast. This time, join Chris Armstrong, Rachel Kibler, Tara Walton, and Russell Craxford discussing what it means to create change in teams that are worn down, frustrated, or stuck in longstanding patterns. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In this episode, the Peers talk frame the discussion around practical reflections on joining difficult team contexts, building agency, identifying friction, and shaping improvements that matter without creating burnout.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The group focuses on the difference between technical problems and people or adaptive challenges, the value of curiosity and influence, and the power of small, intentional actions that reduce unnecessary friction and build momentum toward better ways of working.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Key themes and ideas<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Teams with history and fatigue<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Teams carry context, history, and stories long before new people arrive. 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Doing nothing can be valid when it is a conscious decision rather than passive resignation.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Small wins and incremental change<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Not every improvement has to be dramatic. Small changes that remove friction can build trust and momentum over time. Cultural shifts often start with fixing minor but irritating problems rather than attempting wholesale transformation.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Positivity and recognising progress<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Testing roles are often framed negatively, both by others and by the people doing the work. Creating space to acknowledge progress and success helps rebalance that narrative and improves team morale.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Leadership and advocacy<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Leadership involves passing feedback upwards and advocating for change even when the leader cannot fix the problem directly. Choosing where to invest influence is an important leadership skill.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Takeaways<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>You cannot change everything from every position.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Context and history matter more than frameworks.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Influence is more effective than instruction in people-related challenges.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Small, deliberate improvements build momentum for bigger shifts.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Conscious acceptance is still a form of agency.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Recommended Reading<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><em>Your Leadership Edge<\/em> by Ed O\u2019Malley and Amanda Cebula<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>A practical guide to the competencies and mindset required when everyone leads and challenges are not straightforward. The book emphasises diagnosing context, managing self, energising others, and intervening skilfully.<br>UK Amazon: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.co.uk\/Your-Leadership-Edge-Strategies-Everyone\/dp\/1885167687?utm_source=chatgpt.com\">https:\/\/www.amazon.co.uk\/Your-Leadership-Edge-Strategies-Everyone\/dp\/1885167687<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><em>When Everyone Leads: How the Toughest Challenges Get Seen and Solved<\/em> by Ed O\u2019Malley and Julia Fabris McBride<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>This book builds on adaptive leadership principles and explores how complex challenges are addressed through distributed leadership rather than relying on authority alone.<br>UK Amazon: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.co.uk\/When-Everyone-Leads-Toughest-Challenges\/dp\/1885167903?utm_source=chatgpt.com\">https:\/\/www.amazon.co.uk\/When-Everyone-Leads-Toughest-Challenges\/dp\/1885167903<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><em>The Let Them Theory<\/em> by Mel Robbins and Sawyer Robbins<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Referenced toward the end of the episode, this book focuses on letting go of what you cannot control and choosing where to invest your energy.<br>UK Amazon: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.co.uk\/Let-Them-Theory-Life-Changing-Millions\/dp\/1788176189?utm_source=chatgpt.com\">https:\/\/www.amazon.co.uk\/Let-Them-Theory-Life-Changing-Millions\/dp\/1788176189<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<p>#PeersCon26\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/testingpeerscon.com\/ticket\"><strong>Tickets for the event<\/strong><\/a>\u00a0are live for just \u00a330.<br>And as always, we are looking for sponsors to make this event the success it has been for the last 2 years,\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/testingpeerscon.com\/partners\/\"><strong>get in touch if interested<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Twitter (<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/testingpeers\"><strong>https:\/\/twitter.com\/testingpeers<\/strong><\/a>)<br>LinkedIn (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/company\/testing-peers\"><strong>https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/company\/testing-peers<\/strong><\/a>)<br>Instagram (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/testingpeers\/\"><strong>https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/testingpeers\/<\/strong><\/a>)<br>Facebook (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/TestingPeers\"><strong>https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/TestingPeers<\/strong><\/a>)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>We\u2019re also now on GoodPods, check it out via the mobile app stores<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>If you like what we do and are able to, please visit our Patreon to explore how you could support us going forwards:&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/testingpeers\"><strong>https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/testingpeers<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Hello and welcome to another episode of the Testing Peers podcast. 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